From: Joshua Juran Date: 04:06 on 19 Mar 2008 Subject: So I heard you like to reboot? One of the great triumphs of Mac OS X is that it's based on Unix. And anyone familiar with, say, Linux recognizes the power and flexibility of Unix, allowing you, without rebooting, to change just about any aspect of the system's configuration except for actually running a different kernel. Sadly, OS X dishonors this noble heritage by requiring a reboot merely to update video codecs. But this is not that hate's story. It is the story of networking in the real world, where connections break and peers disappear. It is the story of your ex-girlfriend never coming back, no matter how long you wait. It is the story of the people around you, whose lives you *are* still a part of, getting really tired of your moping around and refusing to do any work because you're too depressed, and you just can't help it, and you can't do anything about it until she comes back, so you just keep waiting. And waiting. And waiting. Until someone finally gives you the bitch slap you so richly deserve and you black out. The next morning you don't remember a thing, much to everyone's grudging relief. And so it is with the Modem menulet. I said to Disconnect from the Bluetooth modem provided by my cell phone, and then I reset the phone itself since it was starting to flake out. (Palm OS is its own hate.) The marquee-animated 'Disconnecting...' message froze in place -- along with the entire right section of the menubar, including the clock -- until I killed SystemUIServer. You'd think it might then respawn like the Dock does, but no. Another SystemUIServer process does indeed launch, but it doesn't actually DO anything noticeable. The right side of the menubar remains blank. (Except for Spotlight. Woo-hoo.) Remember waiting several minutes for the Finder to figure out that the AppleShare server is GONE, and it's NOT coming back? Well, lose a Bluetooth peer and you get to wait FOREVER. Or until you reboot. Josh
From: Michael G Schwern Date: 07:32 on 19 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: So I heard you like to reboot? Joshua Juran wrote: > Remember waiting several minutes for the Finder to figure out that the > AppleShare server is GONE, and it's NOT coming back? Well, lose a > Bluetooth peer and you get to wait FOREVER. > > Or until you reboot. That's funny because just an hour ago I woke my laptop up from sleep and made the horrible mistake of unmounting an sshfs volume that was tunneled through a now defunct ssh tunnel. Beachball of death. Everything locked up except for some inexplicable reason I could still move windows around.
From: Joshua Juran Date: 09:40 on 19 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: So I heard you like to reboot? On Mar 19, 2008, at 12:32 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Joshua Juran wrote: >> Remember waiting several minutes for the Finder to figure out that >> the AppleShare server is GONE, and it's NOT coming back? Well, >> lose a Bluetooth peer and you get to wait FOREVER. >> Or until you reboot. > > That's funny because just an hour ago I woke my laptop up from > sleep and made the horrible mistake of unmounting an sshfs volume > that was tunneled through a now defunct ssh tunnel. Beachball of > death. In Mac OS 9 you'd get a wristwatch. In black and white only. If you were lucky, it was animated. Fortunately, we've advanced beyond such primitive systems. > Everything locked up except for some inexplicable reason I could > still move windows around. Cocoa applications get that 'for free'. Josh
From: Benjamin Reed Date: 15:21 on 19 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: So I heard you like to reboot? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Joshua Juran wrote: | And so it is with the Modem menulet. I said to Disconnect from the | Bluetooth modem provided by my cell phone, and then I reset the phone | itself since it was starting to flake out. (Palm OS is its own hate.) | The marquee-animated 'Disconnecting...' message froze in place -- along | with the entire right section of the menubar, including the clock -- | until I killed SystemUIServer. You'd think it might then respawn like | the Dock does, but no. Another SystemUIServer process does indeed | launch, but it doesn't actually DO anything noticeable. The right side | of the menubar remains blank. (Except for Spotlight. Woo-hoo.) I've had the same thing happen, bluetooth tethering just seems to be brittle on OSX in general... On the other hand, I've had it fix itself Heisenberg-style sometimes by opening the network preferences panel and looking at the status, causing it to quantum-collapse into stopping or not stopping. ;) - -- Benjamin Reed a.k.a. Ranger Rick Fink, KDE, and Mac OS X development http://www.racoonfink.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH4S+LUu+jZtP2Zf4RAlbUAJ9AnTM0TDrRbUKhUhbyTguz1jIUIgCghQoF S4523LcXRLovmc6xUmnIpSc= =REO8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
From: Peter da Silva Date: 18:10 on 19 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: So I heard you like to reboot? On 2008-03-18, at 23:06, Joshua Juran wrote: > Sadly, OS X dishonors this noble heritage by requiring a reboot > merely to update video codecs. Well, sorta. I haven't had any problem force-quitting after a quicktime upgrade. On the other hand, I really wish I could switch virtual consoles or that I had a hotkey to kill the GUI when it gets hung up. I've occasionally been able to ssh in and kill the window server to get back in action, but I miss XFree's control-alt-backspace.
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